Most of you have heard me comment on how I believe social media can negatively affect some portion of our lives. But today I don’t want to talk about its effect on our schedules or our community. I want to talk about its effect on me. I took a week off, and you may or may not already know the reason.
For those of you unfamiliar with what I’m talking about or who just need a refresher course, I spent a couple of weeks blogging about a few less discussed spiritual disciplines that God has been using in my life this summer. We have had a few people read and comment on them. Then in the last blog, we had a few people respond with a disagreeing point of view. Now I don’t mind when people disagree with me, but I get my pride involved from time to time and get my feelings hurt the same as anyone. Most of the time I hold my tongue (or my typed response, as the case may be), but unfortunately that day I was careless. In fact I made the same mistakes I was accusing someone else of making. I posted a foolish tweet where I used strong words, calling names really. It was childish and irresponsible. But the thing is… unbeknownst to you, my loyal readers and followers, I AM childish and irresponsible some of the time. We don’t put that in the liner notes or in the media bio, but it is nonetheless a part of my life. I make mistakes. Big ones. And this particular one has made me look at my place in social media very closely this week.
I don’t know how much good my blogging or tweeting does. I don’t know if people are being affected by my poor writing skills and random thoughts. But I am quite sure that at least three people will never be affected by my words, music, or ministry again. I don’t know how to weigh the value of that. Is my offhanded comment going to make enough impact that I should risk the impact of the ministry that I have invested years of my life building and learning how to do? Does my blogging and tweeting really make people feel connected to my music and ministry the way my industry advisors tell me it does? Now, I don’t necessarily want you to respond about me personally. I just want you to think about these ideas, and then let me know what you think.
Social media gives us the opportunity to make very public mistakes. We have more opportunity to offend and hurt with our words than ever. Is that a good thing? I know we have more opportunity to do good as well, but does that actually happen? And honestly, aren’t most people like me, in that good words affect us a little, but hurtful words cut us deeply? Can one comment I make undo however many dozens of blogs I’ve written, however many tours I’ve done, and the five records we’ve released?
I’m not looking for your comfort or encouragement. I’d like you, as a part of the most socially connected generation ever, to walk through this issue with me. I’d like to hear your thoughts. I have already learned that I have to be more thoughtful and wise about what I write. And if any of you have ever been hurt by my words, whether this time or another, first I would like to ask your forgiveness. Second, I would like to hear from you as well. And I promise not to snap back at you this time. Especially not in 140 characters or less.
Thoughts?
Todd
Todd, you remain one of the most thoughtful music makers on the scene today; this blog is more evidence of that. Keep on writing and let people disagree with you. Sometimes you will “say” (type) “the wrong thing,” but it’s not going to ruin everything else you did.
We are humans. We fail. But we also heal and we try to learn from our mistakes. I am not saying it’s a good thing to fail, just it happens. It’s what happens next that’s important. We should try not to fail, but when it happens, we deal with it the best we can. He will guide us. If we let Him to.
I hope i didn’t get the wrong message here. And for the record, your work is changing lifes. It helps alot in mine. Sometimes we just need to be remembered of some really important things, your songs and blog do that.
I think that in the end we just have to try our very best =)
For me there is no difference between the mistakes we make behind a microphone as to what we say to what we write on social media. Would you stop speaking if you offended someone with an off-hand comment from the microphone. I hope not. You’re doing what we’re supposed to do when we make a mistake regardless of media. Recognize, repent, and reconcile.
We are all in the media no matter what place in life the Lord has us in,Yes we should walk circumspectly,No we shouldn’t intentionally hurt people with our words,but that’s why we have forgiveness 7×70,the word cuts, some will be offended some will be encouraged,if its from the Lord,we are not responsible for there reaction.The old saying where God guides God provides
tony
I didn’t get the pleasure of reading what you are apologizing for. However, I do know that everyone has an opinion and mine will not always agree with yours. But what we do agree on is that Jesus Christ came into this world not to judge the world but to save it. Your blogs always push me to past the surface and make me stop and think. So don’t stop. Here is a personal story, I was working with a colleague and made an off handed remark about him “waking up” to participate in a conversation. I wasn’t implying that he was asleep on the job, just that he had been very quiet throughout the majority of the conversation and then when something caught his attention he came forward like from out of nowhere and entered in. My comment was taken personally by him because i was unaware that he had been accused of sleeping on the job. So what am I saying. well maybe when our words strike a nerve in someone it is possibly because they reveal a part of us that we don’t like to admit is there. So instead of seeking God and asking Him to change us, we lash out to defend ourselves. I apologized to the man for my comment. But who was at fault? I think no one, the comment was just a little to close to home for him. Keep on using the social media, try not to guard your words to the point that you try to please everyone. Jesus ruffled feathers too.
First, I have to admit that I missed the blogs of what you are speaking of…however, you have made it clear that you offended some in the social media, you also confessed publicly and asked for forgiveness. How easily we forget that we are all human and very capable of making a wrong choice at any given moment. The only difference in social media is that everyone sees it, it’s not so easy to hide or cover up. We all sin, we all fail, we all fall short. With social media you are given the opportunity to reach out to so many…you make it more personal, your music, you, your family, your confessions, praises to God, asking of prayers….and sometimes your faults. You are putting yourself out there, I think that makes you REAL! Aren’t we all battling with the same things??? Our sin, our pride, our selfishness ect? Doesn’t God use these things to shed light on areas we are weak, to refine us, to strenghten us. If it made you go back and look harder at what you are doing and why you are doing it I think that’s a good thing. To answer your question “Can one comment I make undo however many dozens of blogs I’ve written, however many tours I’ve done, and the five records we’ve released?” To some, yes, to most I would say no! Absolutely not!! If you were careless about hurting others and did not confess and ask forgiveness I would say one comment could do it but you are clearly struggling with this issue and I must say… that says a lot about your charachter and how important it is for you to live as God has called you to live. There’s a “War Inside” all of us! Let’s be real with one another. You are REAL Todd!! Please keep doing what you’re doing…God uses imperfect people for HIS perfect plan!
It sounds as if you’ve already hit the nail on the head regarding the inherent dangers in modern communications such as blogs, Facebook, email, etc:
We can so quickly post our every thought, that it necessitates our reining ourselves in and thinking about what we “say” before we say it. Not only for the sake of not hurting people needlessly by untempered blurting (which we all do on some level in our lives anyway), but for the sake of those watching as well. And when it comes to those of us who proclaim Christ, we have to be aware of the fact that the world is watching, and what effect will we be having on it?
A few years ago I privately confronted a young “pastor” I knew regarding his pubic witness on social networking sites and his responsibilities as not only a Christian, but as a would-be shepherd. His responses were immediate, churlish, childish, selfish, and very public as well – which only served to belabor the point I was trying to make privately.
I don’t think we can afford to pass up any opportunity to spread the Gospel, but we most certainly need to do so responsibly and with care and caution.
I commend you that when faced with actions on your part that you are ashamed of, you’ve chosen to face up to them and use them as an opportunity to shed light on the subject and to attempt to engage others in needed discussion about it.
Keep striving brother 🙂
peace/faith/hope/love in Christ Jesus,
serloren
We all respond emotionally sometimes. It’s no reason to avoid social media altogether. I think readers understand that. I believe it is important to stay involved. Unlike a discussion in person, e-media allows us the chance to install a delay rule for our responses. Wait 10 minutes before hitting send and see if it’s still the response u want to have out there.
We have the explainations of the Gospel from 4 guys’ point of view, we have Paul letters to churches, letters to people
and such. The socail media of that day.
Some of those readers “knew” those guys and were familiar with their mannerisms, down falls and lives. Some just knew them from the letters and writings they wrote and probably held them in a higher spiritual view, more than they deserved. Even I hold Paul up to saintly level sometimes and I have read that he was a really pushy and obnoxious. I don’t know how accuate but it is inyeresting all the same.
Social Media and ministry, specifically a musical ministry (which is special) does tend to be a touchy mix.
I remember years ago there was a chasm between the fan and the rock star. At one time Ozzy was “feared”, man and Zepplin were english gods that were not obtainable by mere human. Even in more recent years, if I could have had a chat on facebook with a memebr from Stryper or DC talk that would have made my year! Now it seems normal to talk to Jon Foreman out in front of the venue he is playing and emailing Andrew Peterson, and being Facebook friends with Todd Agnew. Ya know what I mean?
So when you snap off in response to some comment and others see it, the average Joe needs to take in account muscians in ministry are people too even christian people in ministry.
I enjoy reading your blogs and essay questions and conversations. I have had to struggle with being “too close” to my favorite artists, and have conversations with some of them about it.
You don’t have to blog or tweet or post and that would seal the illusion of who Todd Agnew is, or show us your humanity and make some of us love you more for it.
Peace Brother
I don’t read your blogs very often but I do listen to you alot, I saw you in tuscumbia, AL a few years ago and of all the thousands of messages and testimonies I’ve ever heard none really ever stay with me not even just one phrase. The story you told of the lil girl with her grandaddy stuck with me tho. They were walking in the snow and it was slippery, she said “no I’m holding your hand you gotta hold mine” so every day I try to let go and let God hold on to me. It gets me thru some hard times. What I’m saying is we’re only human, we make mistakes and God doesn’t expect us to reach everybody different things reach different ppl in different ways. Your music is a blessing to me and even if other ppl disagree with you, you reached me and I thank you. I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.
Interesting thoughts, and I think they boil down to your comment on how good and hurtful words affect us disproportionately. Some semi-random general thoughts:
–I think Christian artists embracing social media have received a bit of “culture shock” from their “followers.” I think, since you artists pour your theology into your lyrics, that there is some presumption at times about your followers views. And so you get shocked sometimes by the breadth of Christianity that you encounter. Whatever theological tussles there are, you will probably have followers on either side, and you’ll only notice when you mention them. And you notice now in social media because you give them a forum to respond. In the past, they might have heard it while you speak between songs in a concert, and quietly walked out “disappointed” in you. Now they have an opportunity to “correct” you.
–I think “fans” of Christian artists/ministers put them up on too high a pedestal. They forget that the artist needs God’s grace just as much as the “fan.”
–I think a “fan” that “walks out” on an artist due to something the artist said is more a reflection of the “fan” than the artist. If you’ve really lost those “fans” for life then it’s more for their lack of grace than what you’ve said.
–This particular instance is probably also a lesson in the last blog series: when tempted to fire off an emotional response, be still. Let it sit in draft mode overnight and look at it again in the morning. Not easy I know…
–In conclusion, I tend to find myself drawn _to_ artists who put it “out there” on social media, for good and bad. Even when there are differences I appreciate knowing the person behind the music better, even if it’s in little glimpses. Some of my favorite artists today are guys I started following on Twitter because “hey, he’s that guy with that song.” It’s because through interacting with them in social media, I’ve become as big a “fan” of the person as I have of the music. Have I been disappointed in artists who put something out there that I don’t agree with? Yeah. But I have yet to see an artist push it so far that I’d bother to “unfollow.” And if I ever do, it would likely be more a reflection on me than the artist.
Social media has hurt the gospel so much that now people can’t go to church because if they don’t have ”powerpoint” or music or some kind of entertainment, they won’t go.
what is the difference now between going to the movies or theater and church? none.
the gospel is now musicalized and it’s a shame
Not everyone is a public face and if you are one, it is because God called you to be one. If God called you to be a public face, then you will have to answer for you life/ministry/service/etc. before the judgment seat of Christ (as we all will have to do).
You could say, I will refrain on “social media” so I don’t make much mistakes and don’t hurt people (or whatever reasons) but what if God intended to use you that way? Would you hide your talent in the ground (Matthew 25:25) to avoid mistakes (when a worst mistake would be to hide your talent)?
Personally, I think you better do EVERYTHING God called you to do with all your heart and passion and learn from your mistakes (because God is more interested in us growing up and learning than doing everything perfectly) and not hide anything God gave you to do.
I prefer to not be perfect but do the best that I can than sit and not takes risks. I think Jesus would be less happy with me not taking risks than taking risks and learning and getting better at what he called me to do.
And besides, if you make a mistake, keep in mind that, as long as it wasn’t intentionally from your part, God will use it as a test or to work on the heart of some people to show what they really are inside (or whatever) and what they have to work on. I mean, God can use anything to His Own Glory!
Do your best, learn, pray, ask for forgiveness and let God do His work in your heart and others people’s heart and keep in mind that the only one that doesn’t do any mistakes are the dead ones or those who does nothing!
P.S.: Sorry for my poor English, I am a french Canadian.
As a homeschooling, stay-at-home wife and mother of 4 who also teaches Bible study and was recently accepted in a leadership capacity for Precept Ministries, International: I understand your concern.
I spent the summer also traveling 30 miles a day (& then back) with all of my children in tow to care for an autistic teen. One day this summer I completely lost my composure. I mean I screamed & yelled–it was bad. Really. I was utterly heart-broken to the point of tears. I was embarrassed that my children (especially my 14 yr old son) witnessed my behavior. Later, that son said to me, “Yep, mom. You’re human.” Later, with a tear of relief, I realized the grace that was flowing through him. My testimony to my children was that:
1. I am not perfect.
2. I can ask forgiveness.
3. I can walk in grace & mercy.
4. I need to draw on God in the tough times. I’m not enough on my own.
I got to see that my son isn’t looking to judge, condemn or blame me. My every action & word is on display. I find there are times, like Paul, that I do what I do not want while not doing what I do want to do. I have learned to seek God’s help in doing my best to be whom I need to be for those I am here for. Otherwise, I need to relax. Whether I mess up online or off, it was allowed by God by for a purpose. Maybe that purpose has to do with me. Maybe that purpose has to do with those effected, affected or just observing. I can not allow the enemy to use these mistakes to condemn or discourage or distract me. I will allow God to convict, where necessary; reveal, as necessary; and fix/heal/change what is needed in me and others.
I guess what I’m saying is ALL mistakes are effectual. It matters less where we make a mistake or if we make a mistake and more that God “can turn all things to good for those who love him.”
Todd,
I was one of those who saw your post and responded, in your support. One problem with social media is that we lose something important with the typed word. Words can sound harsher than we intended. Conversely, somebody could come across as more judgemental or seem to be attacking on a more personal level. I’ve shed tears of anger from something on the computer, but many more times, I’ve shed tears of joy as I received needed encouragement online. I don’t tweet…I find I need more of a filter than that! The KJV speaks of God placing a hedge around our mouth…how appropriate for this age!
I think we just need to extend some grace to one another, as we should in every area. Social media is an opportunity for our true character to be shown, for better or worse. What an opportunity to let our light shine! Mt.5:16 The enemy is sure using social media; I feel free to use it for good…mine and others. But I do try to think before I hit send. God bless you & thank you Todd! 🙂
Rule #1- Think before you speak! (or, “Edit before you Post!” as the case may be…) This is my first rule, really my only rule, in online communication. I read, and re-read, and sometimes re-re-read to make sure my words are clear, to the point, kind, and loving before they leave my computer. Do I always succeed? No. It was a long time of practice before I could really edit myself. Now, I choose NOT to respond more than I DO, because the words I would say wouldn’t add anything edifying to the discussion. Christ has given me a voice, and some discernment. I used to be afraid to use it, to speak up. He has taught me HOW to use it, for His glory. I find your blog posts and your beautiful music to be comforting, uplifting, and a salve to me when I need it. We all make mistakes. I doubt my opinion of you would change because of one.
I have been moving for most of August & did not have internet until last week. My googlereader stands at 556, so “mark as read” will be the click of the day!
I believe we have all put our foot in our mouths! We are human. We are broken. We don’t all get along all the time. Even with those we are supposed to love, but you know what? I don’t have LIKE everyone. I believe I can love someone without liking them.
But, negativity always hurts my pride. But, in recovery and a renewed relationship with God, trying to understand someone else’s viewpoint will always be a struggle. We don’t always agree on serious stuff or even on something that turns serious, that was meant to be light-hearted. You just never know when you will hit a nerve with someone of an opposing view.
I mean, look at Brody’s post from yesterday. Such a simple word “and”. So often I believe we DO stop and therefore misinterpret, not only a verse from the Bible, but when we get mad at a comment, or tweet a comment that makes people mad at me. We turn off our listening ears. We seem to turn our brains into OUR will & not God’s.
Another thing recovery has taught me: to play the “tape” all the way through before I say or do something out of emotion! I do have the filters in my brain that God tries to get me to use before I speak or do something stupid. What our hearts, our pride, our gut tell us outweighs doing the Godly thing. But, we can also choose to make a living amends and correct ourselves. People won’t always accept apologies, Todd. It’s hard, but we need to be able to accept that not everyone is going to like me. And not just when I misspeak. No one, other than God, has the “right” to judge you or your words. You still have a strong message & a strong self-will!! We all should be ready to fight the good fight AND still come out of it loving our enemies, as well as our true friends.
We are a passionate bunch, aren’t we?
I have been a fan of yours for years and deeply appreciate how “real” your music is. You ask the questions that many Christians are afraid to ask through your music.
I did not read the past comments you are referring to or your response to them, though I did read the follow up afterwards. This most recent blog entry has prompted me to comment – something I never do. I hope you don’t give up on social media. First of all, that a well-established musician would care enough to read comments by and listen to his fans, in an age where pride can get the best of us, is, quite frankly, amazing to me. Secondly, you have shown your humanity, and in my opinion, to be able to see that someone who is in the spotlight can mess up just like me is refreshing. No offense! It’s refreshing that you ADMIT you messed up and are human; not that you messed up… 🙂 I get so tired of trying to be someone I’m not, just to get the approval of other humans. If I make a mistake, I want others to understand that I truly am sorry and to continue to love me for who I am.
You’ve raised good questions…I think that social media can have a huge influence on others. Just like anything else, as Christians, we need to be salt and light online as well as off. But we also need to show grace and forgiveness when others make mistakes. I do think these things can make a positive difference. Others have said not to respond out of emotions. I agree. It will never be the same as interacting in person, since typing always leaves out body language, tone of voice, facial expressions, etc. Being aware of this is the key.
I believe too that “good words affect us a little but hurtful words cut us deeply”. After all, our tongue is like a rutter on a ship. Our ability to put anything we want out there in cyberspace is something that we do need to be conscious of.
You ask so I will say. It is not the good things you, Todd Agnew, may say or do that most influences me. Jesus Christ handled that! It is in how you have real problems, screwup from time to time and call on our King for help that makes me look to you, as a brother who’s.walked the pathway ahead of me. So relax, you will no doubt screw up again….. its that human thing man! Peace!
I think a lot of the negative long-term affects depend on our audience. I had a Facebook friend once who disagreed with me very sharply on something I said, and she let me know just how “wrong” I was and then got rid of me as her friend. A Christian in the same position might have had a dialogue with me about the subject, maybe encouraged me not to voice those issues for the risk of giving non-believers the wrong idea, and then moved on with no harm done.
There really is not enough talking going on today about the things the Lord wants us to meditate on. Anyone willing to do so, especially someone like you with a vast audience, is needed greatly in this ongoing spiritual battle.
One of my friends gave me some very wise advice concerning my whole “Facebook scandal” as I liked to call it: “Win their hearts for Christ first, and everything else will follow.” To me, that meant that, if what I’m saying doesn’t point people to Christ, whether it’s because the topic is just too hot for a reasonable dialogue, or because I just need/want to vent in public, then it probably should be kept in the confidence of one or two people who already know my heart.
As for the friend that I lost, I trust in God’s sovereignty and ability to continue calling to her heart, even if my door of opportunity has been shut. I trust the same is true for those you feel you have lost, Todd. Thanks for sharing. Keep doing what you do, you are a blessing!
It is really easy to respond quickly to a negative comment, but when I’m writing– unlike when I’m talking– I have the advantage of being able to edit before I hit ‘publish’. In my real, face to face life, I would love to be able to do that. I can’t count how many times I have wanted to rewind a certain conversation or a certain moment in time even, because my mouth jumped ahead of my good sense.
When you are writing, unlike when you are speaking, people have options that they don’t ever have in a face to face situation. They can click away. They can read something else you have read, and see that while you may have said something off the cuff, that isn’t how you typically write. They don’t have to walk away going “Wow that guy was a jerk!”, because it wasn’t their only possible interaction with you.
Everyone makes mistakes, and yes in social media those mistakes are extremely public… but so is the apology and the background and everything else that you’ve written. A person’s character can’t be formed and hung on a comment, because we ARE flawed people. The big picture is needed, and that is where having a blog is a benefit. All of it is YOU, from the flaws to the deep thoughts and sincerity and everything in between. Most thinking people can look past one remark.
hmmmm. Here’s where I think God was glorified…in a sinner recognizing his sinfulness and using the same media for repentance. All we can do is speak to our experience of Christ. Sometimes, the flesh triumphs and we speak of our experience of self and the world around us first, hence the avenue for offense. But I grapple with even that as I type. The gospel is offensive. As I read I Corinthians this morning, I was struck by how strong Paul is in his writings. Thinking about him in this context makes a smile creep onto my face. I don’t think you could hold a candle to him in offense if you tried….well maybe if you tried 🙂
You have been given a strong voice, in song and in speech. With that comes great responsibility. I don’t believe we have the power to “hurt” the gospel. I think sometimes we, in our sinfulness, give a living example for the NEED of it. Yes, we should strive to allow Christ to live fully through us. Yes, we will fail. There is but One who is Holy and blameless. I’m just grateful that in my darkest of days the blood of Christ gives a covering that allows God to look on me in Love.
Maybe the real offense is in the fact that sometimes we choose to hold others up to a standard they alone cannot attain, which would be to be holy as God is Holy. Then when they fail, we choose to not hold ourselves up to the same standard, which would be to love as the Father Loves.
Thanks for the dialogue. Thanks for the ministry. PLEASE carry on!
Great points from Patrick Defoy! I agree wholeheartedly. Todd, check your email for more input from me. I found this link you may enjoy called “Top 5 Ways To Not Be A Jerk Online:” http://withoutwax.tv/2011/09/06/top-5-ways-to-not-be-a-jerk-online/ (I’m not referring to you as a jerk, by the way.)
Mr. Angus, (couldn’t resist )
If there was one thing I would call the “Dangers of Social Media” I would say it is some perceived notion that we must not offend anyone while online. That’s basically crap! You stay who you are and react as if this person was in front of you confronting you. Don’t think just because the interaction is through 1s and 0s that you have to remove you own personal passions and emotions. To many people already do that already and the Faithful have been applying that more and more to there interactions with the general public. Being who you are and doing the things you do (all of us include) requires us to remain passionate and emotional. Remaining passionate and emotional will also lead to incidents that get blown up and enflamed just because of the platform used. It’s unfortunate the we all can’t get along every minute of everyday, but that is life and we either accept emotional bumps, and work through them, or we don’t. If offended, or the offender, it doesn’t matter. Social media is just this generations rotary dial phone and how we communicate. I hate this saying, but haven’t found a replacement yet: “It simply is what it is” No better or worse.
You’ve always been one of the leading examples of using social media to reach people and speak your mind. To have been at it this long and FINALLY post something out of frustration/anger/pride to me is sort of a miracle. I personally don’t have your ability to craft responses and interaction through the kindness filters you have. I’ve always been appreciative of your ability to interact with anyone(including trolls and fanatics) and stay on point and Faithful in your posts, while also still making everyone feel welcome and accepted. If someone took something you posted and turned it into a social media incident, I would take a guess that it was the original intent (not knowing the facts of the incident you mentioned). Whether their point was valid or not is irrelevant. You have a history of articulate and passionate interaction with your internet followers. Judging by your history (YEARS of examples), I have no doubts about your reaction to something that might have become to personal or confrontational (I know I‘ve tried in the past to tweak you a little) was a real reaction. Remember that social media only means we aren’t face-to-face. Social media does not mean we have to hang our emotions in the closet and act like Mr. Rogers so as not to upset every single person on the earth with a internet connection. Keep doing what you do and being who you are regardless of who reads and interacts with you on Social Media. I grant you a well dissevered mulligan!
Todd, this is just real talk here, but I think it applies. I met you at before a concert once, and to be honest, you came off as lets just say, less than friendly. Maybe a long day, maybe some issues going on in your life, maybe I just had an offensive case of BO. It didn’t matter…your music was a big deal to me as a new believer, when I though I was the only one with “Better Questions”…the only one that sometimes struggled with my faith. I love reading your blogs. Our 57 seconds of interactions that day isn’t going to change any of that. No apology necessary, unless a person can apologize for being human.
Social media is a lot like that day I think. It puts us “out there”, it gives many folks who don’t intimately know us access to us. The side we want people to see, and sometimes the soft underbelly or really ugly toes we keep hidden. For some of us it’s fans, for some of us it a guy we played kickball a few times with in the third grade who found us on facebook.
Social media can give us a platform to encourage, to debate the debatable stuff or even offer loving criticism when needed. But just as valuable, it offers a platform for others to encourage us, to debate the debatable wit us, and to offer that same loving criticism when needed. What if Jonah had twitter and had tweeted “God is really on my back about going to Nineveh, but I think I’m gunna head over to Tarshish instead and see whats crackin” The @Jonah replys he got may have saved a whale a lot of trouble and an upset stomach.
Todd, you’ve never offended me, not even once. You haven’t even annoyed me, ever.
Reading your blogs (which I almost always do whether I comment or not) is one of my reminders not to let the busy stuff keep me from my relationship with God. It also reminds me to pray for you. You’ve handled this incident well. I only hope the people who took exception to your earlier blog will take the time to read this one. Blessings, Tess
I have in many instances in the past had the same problem, answering before I thought it all out, or just being misunderstood. I believe that some of the problems lie in the nature of the beast so to speak. The internet allows everyone to be bold in their speech without any true accountability for what is said.
I have tried in the past to discuss spiritual matters online with some of my non-believing family and the only outcome was that it’s terribly hard to actually discuss a topic in an online forum. When there is honest concern for the feelings and non threatening dialogue going on it’s possible to make some ground, but in my experience, there’s not many occasions where that’s the case. It’s normally more asserting one’s position without any real concern for the others position.
Due to my experiences with it, I have decided to no longer debate theology or spiritual matters online anymore. If I post a belief or a line of thought about a particular verse or passage and it comes under scrutiny, I will encourage the dialogue in a private setting (preferably face to face, phone, or email) and not in the public eye. If the other will not continue the conversation in private, I’ll write it up as flaming and not lose a minute sleep over it.
Lessons learned a little too late in my case, but learned for next time. Sorry you had to deal with these kinds of things, but please don’t let it stop your blog. Music is a huge part of my life and to know that the musicians I listen to are even concerned with spiritual things and not just being a rock star is refreshing. Thank you for sharing and also for handling it with a sincere and humble heart.
God Bless you Friend and Brother
Adam
Hi Todd,
I just wanted to tell you Todd that no matter what you blog or tweet about, God will still use you for His glory in some way. I still remember a few years ago, I was at work and thinking some mean thoughts about a co-worker. I wasn’t acting like a Christian to her either and I was crying in the car ride home that day. As I was crying and telling God how sorry I was for not acting like a child of His, I heard your lyrics coming from my cd player, “strange how forgiveness comes so easily, when I call your name and wait for your rain”!
Unless God tells you to shut it down, keep blogging and tweeting. We can reach more people when they see our flaws. It humbles us. I was humbled yesterday when I tried to fix my leaky sink and forgot to tighten the pressure valve at the top. When I turned the water on a fountain shot straight up from my sink and drenched parts of the kitchen and living room. I immediately recognized the humbling experience and thanked God for bringing me back to earth. In the end, I bet you could turn it into a song that reaches millions.
Allow me to open with what will likely seem to be an unpopular opinion…regarding those three who will “never” listen to your words again? Forget them.
I know…easier said than done but go with me.
We are all imperfect human beings. We will all say or do things that will irritate, offend or annoy other human beings. God knows this. God is prepared for it. Those three people may never listen to you again but God’s already got people to come into their path with the same message of hope in Christ that you present in your music and words.
The most important thing on facebook, twitter, YouTube, your blog and anything else online is that you be real and be you. If you say something you firmly believe that’s not sinful and someone gets offended, it’s their problem and not yours. Jesus offended many people with his message and while you’re far from being Jesus (as we all are) you can’t expect to have a better response.
Be real. Be you. Show the flaws. Apologize for mistakes. Realize you can’t save the world and that someone’s going to walk away from God because of you but God will put other people in their path to bring them back. Forgive yourself.
Social media should be used as a tool, and only a tool. As a supplement to “real” ministry. I would say Todd that this is how you are using Twitter, blogs, etc. They supplement what you already do.
The mistake is when people start to believe that simply posting a thought or a quote that they’ve done their Christian duty.
Paul in his letter often ended them by saying basically that writing the letter was nice, but he was looking forward to meeting them in person so their joy could be complete.
Social media is incomplete, so there are dangers associated with it, whether by the poster, or the person reading the post.
As long as Social Media is used as a supplement to one’s ministry, then it is OK. Mistakes will be made for sure, but thats to be expected, we haven’t been perfected yet.
Keep up the good work. God bless.
Dear Todd, although I did not catch your unfortunate tweets or blogs..you have pricked my heart with your brutal honesty, but more importantly you have made me take a hard look at myself and how I handle myself and my career in my daily life and social media. I never thought of it before, in terms of my ministry and yeah you’re right we DO need to keep ourselves in check…kind of a “what would Jesus Tweet or type on Facebook”. Thanks for the wake up call! As for your mistake, I think you may have indeed lost those three, but with your confession and your asking forgiveness you’ve proven to me anyway that you are a true follower of Christ… and I am sure that I am not the only one who will be woken up by your honesty. Take care
Your music along with your blogs have touched my life and helped so much in my faith journey. It would be such a loss to be without either. As it’s been said, we are all human and make mistakes. The good you do so out weighs anything you may have said. Please continue to be there for us, so we can take this journey together!
Well, I think the danger in social media is the same danger we face whenever we open our mouths. Sure, it’s public, and people see it, but you know what? I’m sure lots of people have seen and heard me make a cutting remark to my children, husband, friends, etc. We’ve all said things we regret, and that’s called being human. The good news is that we have the Holy Spirit out there looking out for us. Not to get into a theological discussion, but the reality is that if the Holy Spirit is calling someone, your big mouth isn’t going to stop God. So yes, maybe there are three people out there who are no longer on the Todd Agnew ministry bandwagon. But if the Holy Spirit is truly calling them, there is another ministry out there that they can relate to and jump right back on. Yes, you encourage and inspire others by being real in your relationship with God. But don’t think that you’re IT. God uses you, just like He uses a host of other people and circumstances in people’s lives. You can’t be all things to all people. I like you and your ministry because you are real. Because you aren’t perfect, you don’t claim to be perfect, and you’re honest about that. Okay, so you don’t show us all your junk. But we see enough that we know we don’t have to have it all together to follow God. I relate to that. A lot of the people reading your blog relate to that. But not everyone will. They’re the people who relate to the picture perfect Christians who look and act perfect in public. Personally, they make me gag. Which is why I’m grateful that God created all kinds of people and all kinds of Christians, because we’ve all got someone to relate to.
Todd,
What you write and the words you speak are as meaningful then the songs you sing. I enjoy your concerts not only for your songs but because I know you are going to say something to challenge me or make me think.
I’m a bit older than you, and I do like some aspects of social media, but I think it can quickly become a destructive force. Can a knee-jerk comment destroy years of ministry? Ask the Dixie Chicks.
I do not Tweet, as I see it as extremely vain to think that everyone cares about one’s every move and thought. On the Follower side, if one is so wrapped up in the cult of celebrity that the random thoughts of someone one has never met are more important than relationships with actual acquaintances, something is out of balance. These comments do not apply to communications with ones close friends and relations; Twitter is fine for those communications.
Bottom Line: If twitter, FaceBook, etc. consume more time than prayer and actual conversations; if emotions are more affected by comments of strangers than by God’s word and close friends, then social media has become an idol.
I should probably do an addendum to my thoughts- I don’t think having the Holy Spirit as backup in any way gives us permission to be intentionally careless or thoughtless with our words. We do have to choose our words with care, but when we do make mistakes, we need to not be so wrapped up in the mistake that we forget about grace.
Todd, I have listened to your music for many years . The boldness you have speaks volume ! WHICH JESUS DO YOU FOLLOW , THat song will always be one of my favorite songs ever , you got to the point , where some would be offended however, its something we all need to hear loudly, and GOd led you to voice your emotions bro, When He guides you to say something you must follow. I have met you many times in Nashville and sat and talked to you, you have the most humble spirit, Your so compassionate and one fire for Christ. Only thing, I can say negative is how you teased my redskins man ! BUT THATS WHAT GUYS DO , WE HAVE OUR TEAMS ! I see Christ in you man , And may GOd continue to use your talent for his Kingdom !
I feel social media has a weird place… It cannot be erased from among us… And as every feature of language and words it can be used as many things, such as a tool, a voice, a megaphone, a means to comfort, a soap box, a brag book, something to hide behind and alas… a weapon. Some days I think ahead an try to plan my words wisely. Other times, I am much less thoughtful. Sometimes being spontanious has disastrous results. Oddly, i’ve found myself often silenced to say less than I first intended, if I ever work up the courage to say anything at all. Sadly, I found the group I write to has become an audience rather than a group of friends. So at that point, I’m less myself and more there to offer up words for approval or disapproval or maybe total disregard. I wonder if I should change things, but I stumble to wonder where and how to begin… So I don’t. And it’s frustrating.
Thanks for listening? Reading? Whatever this is.
Todd,
I do think people (including myself) spend way too much time on the computer, phone, etc. It robs God of the time we could be spending for Him. However, I feel in moderation it can be a good thing. We have the chance to touch so many lives that we couldn’t before. It’s that many more people praying putting eagles to flight! I made it my rule that if what I post will not be positive and live someone up or at least make them smile, then I don’t post it. If God has truly called you to be in the social media, then I would stay with it, but if He’s not, then I would do that too. I really admire you for publicly apologizing like you did. I’ve always admired your humility and integrity : )
I’m not afraid of social media. Although I don’t have many followers, I do have friends who sometimes don’t agree with me too. Yet, I still tweeted and wrote what I want on social media. But I remind myself always that I need to think before posting a word. Well, not only on social media, everyone should think once or twice before they state any words in the real life as well.
what if someone disagreed with me? That’s cool! Agreement and disagreement mean all of us have brains and ideas. Let them state their thoughts, then we could start a real interesting talk. For me, discussions are very interesting and fun even with strangers. If social medias could help me getting a few more thoughts about what I wrote, I’d love to use them. It’d be more disappointing if no one gives any comment though.
Your writings, your blog are harmless and interesting. Keep on sharing good news and please don’t be afraid of making mistakes, for you know that you always be forgiven.
And don’t be afraid of critics. No one could make you feel disgraceful or ashamed but yourself… your blaming yourself. Keep on tweeting if you respect your own thoughts. And you will be fine as long as you respect others’s thoughts like you respect yours.
“Can one comment I make undo however many dozens of blogs I’ve written, however many tours I’ve done, and the five records we’ve released?” #quoted
The good things you’ve done so far and this mistake you mentioned above aren’t even connected. A mistake can’t undo all good things you’ve done. Also, the performed mistake could not be undone. And everyone won’t overlook your little mistake for you’ve been saint for years. Mistakes are mistakes. If you made them and felt bad, at least tell yourself to be glad that you’ve learned useful new things. Be strong.
Please forgive me if my comment sound arrogant to you.
Regards,
verellie
Hi Todd,
Just a few thoughts from someone whose husband has been in leadership for a few decades and has dealt w/ the dark side of Christianity and yes, there is a dark side. I read all the posts in the series, as well as the comments you’re referring to, so here you go. 🙂
Every comment on a blog doesn’t need to remain online. If a poster has taken an attitude of condemnation/superiority/ etc. take down the comment. It’s ok to remove comments that serve no positive purpose. It those people want a forum to be heard, they can start their own blog. Some people will post because they’ve decided, w/ Scripture quoted out of context to back up their position, they are the ones that have been appointed to keep the rest of us in line. Dialogue isn’t their goal, so don’t even try. State the policy on your blog, but be ready to carry it out when it is tested.
That’s not to say ‘ban all negative comments.’ There’s a difference between people who disagree w/ a post and state their thoughts in a respectful way and those who don’t. Another way to look at it–if someone is visiting your blog for the first time, what do you want reflected in the comments–honest dialogue or the opposite? What is sorely lacking on the internet (and in real time conversations) are examples of honest dialogue in which parties can disagree, but still remain respectful.
If people decide not to listen to your words anymore, then so be it. Don’t assume they were really listening in the first place. (sorry. 🙂 Those threats are blackmail–saying, in effect, “if you don’t post what I agree with, then I won’t listen to you.” If your intent is honesty and to ultimately honor Christ with your words, then keep on posting–honesty isn’t always appreciated, especially in Christian circles.
If you’re truly concerned about your posts–then have an honest, face to face conversation with people you know you can trust. Blog comments, including this one, can’t replace that honest, but sometimes harsh, inner circle. 🙂
Just a few thoughts from someone you don’t know.
Thank you for your post – I recently read a childish exchange on twitter involving someone whose ministry I deeply respected, and it affected how I thought of them. It was good to be reminded that we are all like this.
As far as the value of social media? Everything in moderation. Better to under-do it than over-do it. (I’m talking to myself here.) Peace!
Todd, I find you compassionate, inspiring and a man after God’s heart. But we are still very much human and have those frailties. We fall ask for forgiveness and continue are walk with Him. God Bless Todd
I have to agree with Elwood. Don’t beat yourself up for being human. I don’t know about the incident to which you are referring, but you’ve done what you can to repair the damage. Hopefully the other person is able to accept and forgive. But please don’t start holding your tongue because you are afraid to offend. Speak the truth as you always have. You will reach those God intends for you to reach. It’s as simple as that.
But to your question on whether social media has an impact, some does, some doesn’t. I have to say, I was shocked when I first learned that Todd Agnew was on Twitter. You are pretty much the last artist I thought would ever get sucked into this. Personally, Twitter doesn’t impact my life because I hate it and although technically I do “follow” you, it’s turned off, I don’t read anything. But I do love the blog and I do feel this is an extension of your ministry. Now that you aren’t on the road as much, I don’t get to worship with you nearly as often as I used to, this does help me stay connected. But Facebook and Twitter are too impersonal, and a waste of time. But that’s just me.
How many times have we said something and have regretted it … and it keeps coming back years later as much as we try to let it go. However, we must remember to let go … place our lives, people, situations, decisions, in the Hands of Christ; we are fully reliant upon His Love and Mercy and we must choose to begin anew and let go (yet learn from) the past. Todd, your music has brought me so much more insight into the Word of God, with ‘real life’ reality checks along the way. In a recent family visit (5 siblings) where I’m the one far from everyone and everything, I was an outsider looking in and noticed the subtly of pride, mine included. I need to remind myself that it’s not about me and I must let go of me so Christ can work in and through me. Do I know the ins and outs of your life, Todd? No, but I feel your ministry cannot be stopped by this blip; pick yourself up (as you’ve started) and look forward in the Hope of Christ; God bless you, Todd, for your music ministry and all that you do in spreading the Word of God.
Wow! Lots of comments for you to read and think about. I’ll try to keep this short. Social Media is like most everything else in our lives today, it can be either a blessing or a curse. God knows the intentions of our heart, and as such, if our goal is to bring Him honor and to glorify His name, then I believe Social Media can be a tremendous Blessing to a vast audience. Todd, I think you are a person who (as a rule) allows the Holy Spirit to guide you. I personally have been blessed by your blog and tweets and would miss your unique perspective and insights. God Bless you as you continue to walk with Him.
Social media is basically a big group of people and just like when we are with others, some things “go against our fur” as the Russian saying goes. Mistakes happen – and yes, they can be quite bad… However, by hiding from the world, the person is not going to help the matters.
Guess we just have to be more careful with what we write (good thing about social media as opposed to when you are in a group of people is that you get time to inhale / exhale, and think).
Thank you for reminding about the impact of our words, even written…
Zee
Ukraine
Galatians 1:10 – obviously, I’m not trying to win the approval of people, but of GOd. If pleasing people were my goal , I would not be CHrist Servant . I think this verse sums it all up my friend !
Keep singing Todd……you’ve not cut anyone’s ear off yet with a sword, nor sold the master for 30 shekels.
Hey, just read your blog. This is the first time I have read one of your blogs, so I am not familiar, and do not need to be familiar with all the details of what transpired. I just wanted to say, those that are in the spotlight may never know the impact, both positive and negative, they may have; but we are all going to make mistakes in this life, and these mistakes will leave some scars. What happened here is showing those that read the blogs and follow you how to handle it when we mess up. You said some things in public, and now you have apologized in public. This has as great if not a greater impact on peoples’ lives. To see how to handle mistakes and sins is of far greater value in today’s society than gold, I believe. Let me leave you with one final thought. As a king, David messed up big time on several occassions and yet God called him “a man after God’s heart”. I think the way you are handling this shows you are right where you are supposed to be (sorry I couldn’t help but to voice my oponion about you personally :))
Todd … I think those of us who choose to blog choose to put ourselves out there for examination. The deeper you try to go the greater the personal risk. Social media has become the new town square. In the old days, when someone misspoke in the town square they apologized and people accepted the apology knowing that it could have been them just as easily. One of the things I value about your music is that you often go deep. It is likely that you will find disagreement when you go deep. I stumbled on your blog today … good stuff. I think the idea of silence while listening for God is valuable and very much missing in our busy, ‘productive’ western culture. I find that when I’m listening I’m less likely to snap at someone (whether verbally or virtually) and more likely to find a better response (sometimes no response is the best one).
There is too much shallow noise floating around the internet and the radio waves these days. I’d rather see us go deep and run the risk of stepping in it once in a while.
I can’t seem to open a Pauline letter now without smiling. Loving that as a result of this dialogue, I am more keenly aware of Paul’s assurance of Who he represents and Who gets the glory and who he is not bothered at all about offending. I’m not trying to put you in his shoes. I didn’t witness the “offense”. All I’m saying is I find it a little funny that we get offended by the words of men. Are we reading the Word of God?
Todd, the truth is not always pleasant. How many times does the bible show us this. Jesus is the the truth the life and the way . But He lost a lot of disciples speaking only truth. a perfect example is John 6 22-71. if we read the whole text, we see that many left him, because This is a particular hard teaching for many Christians and still is even today. But if Jesus is truth and we believe he is, we have to believe him, and if we can’t we pray for the grace to believe it. Our faith all comes from Him anyway. Reacting to their objections, just means you are human, and if you were perfect you would already be in His company,not ours. Some of the objections were pretty harsh, but I commend you for allowing them published. If Public speaking is our caling, it is always risky. So just keep approaching it in that context of good intentions, based in truth, that is all The Lord wants from us. This reminds me of Your cd “Better Questions has a song entitled “Don’t say a Word” I love this song. and it is so true. I don’t beleive you would ever intentionally speak an un-truth, Many leaders’ I have found speak their opinion and claim it as truth. but when put up against scripture it just doesn’t add up. But it is spoken anyway. I think if those same leaders would listen to this song, it would provoke their own discenment on what they lead others into. Pastoring is a HUGE responsibility, I beleive the pastoring you offer through your music and blogging is done through much prayer and keen discearment. So I trust you for it.
I know your human, but I can see how you are trying to bring the good news of Jesus to others, even if it is a hard teaching to bring. so keep bringing it on brother. Thank you for that!
Todd,
I recently felt led by God to start a blog, however I have refused to join facebook, text all the time, or participate in other forms of social media, because I felt its leaves way to much room for the adversary to misinturpret our words, expressions, and to hurt those who most need God’s Love. When we miss a text, we think they didn’t respond, if someone is to tired to post we feel ignored, if God gives me a word for one person and another one reads they might apply it to them. That’s why I felt I shouldn’t be involved but I am finding out however that being led by the Spirit of God doesn’t always mean tip toeing around worrying about what others think if he tells me to share. Fear of man and fear of offending each other has led us to a place of acceptance and luke warmness of things that God clearly says no too ! Jeremiah had to speak to those who bound him, put him in shackles, and eventually also put him in prision. Jesus clearly said we are to speak to the nations, go to the wilderness, and save the afflicted, I am learning I can’t do that if I am not involved in this social media wilderness. God is quite capable of taking disiplinary action of us individually if we say what we shouldn’t at least he does for me :). Listen to him and your heart and then SPEAK TO THOSE WHO NEED US MOST !!!!! I TOO HAVE BEEN CALLED OUT OF MY COMFORT ZONE !! BUT SO WAS JEREMIAH and many others. We can’t worry about offending each other it’s time to listen to the Holy Spirit and ask him to touch your lips with the coal and say what you are told. We must be that voice in the wilderness like John calling out to those lost sheep. He is coming call to him when you can be heard. You obiviously have been chosen to speak. I have offended others, but he told me I do not send you to a unintelligable people, be prepared they will not listen for they are rebellious but you are to go. So Todd, just like you, I am going….to the place where this generation is, and today that is here. Follow his peace whatever and wherever that leads, his peace, not the peace of this world. Be Blessed Beyond Understanding !!!!